Maybe the girls did perish deep in the jungle, but that doesnt rule out somebody causing them to get lost. Kris Kremers, 21, and Lisanne. After finding the women's phones, authorities now had alead. Debra Ann Velleman, 70, of Waukesha, Wisconsin, and Sue Borries, 57, of Teutopolis, Illinois, both retired public school teachers, were part of a community of snowbirds and expats living in the area of Chame, Panama. This case really creeps me out, specially the findings and the pictures. Im always reviewing their case and looking for answers. I suppose incompetence runs at many levels. Dogs are very independent here. This case certainly is perplexing, as many of the disappearances Ive written about. I must have been living in a cave and totally preoccupied with myself when this happened because I only stumbled across this via a Youtube video ( one of many) by Juan Perea Y Monsuw on Friday. But there are a few holesin this particular theory. Of course, there are always exceptions. When the girls were vacationing in South Panama it shows a photo of them in the ocean, and behind them in the ocean is a fat white man seemingly staring at them. Hi Birgitte, thank you for your comment. 100 calls to 911, and NOT ONE attempted call to immediate family? Why would the perpetrators concoct all of the photo/backpack evidence? Sue and Dennis Borries are pictured in an undated image. He threatened them with a machete, and led them to a sacrificial alter. https://photos.app.goo.gl/sLXepriuWAxz8t1R9. And the weird flesh colored thing hanging in the tree to her left could be a skinned animal. The students from Amersfoort in the Netherlands had spent six months planning their dream trip to Panama, hoping to spend some time backpacking, volunteering and learning Spanish. Between taking the last foto (Nr 508) at 12:54 local time and the first SOS call at 16:39 local time something happened. Take care. Hay incongruencias en fechas y horas de los testigos y de los registros de los telfonos y la cmara, pero lo que ms me ha inquietado es la foto 506. This basically kills the idea of living in Panama on permanent tourist status. It is also possible that an unknown person, possibly the one responsible for the girls deaths, deleted the file for some reason but not the others on the card with a laptop in the middle of the jungle. Use soft language and leave out gory visuals in what you write. She must therefore be in a house or building of some kind and therefore being kept prisoner at least for the 8 days before that photo was taken. actually name names. You would write something out on notepad or at least be texting everyone in your address book hoping one got through saying Help. It doesnt matter. Fingerprints were not investigated. This tribe was not located near the area where Kris and Lisanne disappeared, and therefore, in no way can be connected to the disappearance of Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon. Also why make them at night and not during the day? There is so much to see and Juan is amazing. The smooth rocks would further back that theory up and the blue trash could have just washed up thereperhaps. The remains of both women were found soon after that. But by April 6, the girls were still missing. Terrible for the parents. Theres a blood splatter on her leg from her tendon being cut, to keep her from running away. Im not expecting any major reveals from Pitti shell probably just reinforce her previous statements with more insights. Basically, theres a lot of government corruption and poverty as a result. Highlighted areas of interest (some not yet discussed I think): I think the night pictures were made by the killers to make it look like they were lost and trying to signal for help. Thats just shadow that the camera didnt illuminate. To the creator of this photo analysis Thank You, excellent work. If I saw a cow skull hanging in a tree I would get the hell out of there, not pose for a photo. It is a suicide decision and they, experienced travellers, know that. He went into the girls room without police, he was involved with finding of the backpack, and also the bones. Or if they went, they could have been followed by someone the murderer (or murderers). Also, I do not know about the girls living situation and the relationship between the girls and the owner. See the State Department's travel website for the Worldwide Caution and Travel Advisories. Her hands could be tied behind her back but, if this is the case, then much computer editing was involved because other photos that come AFTER this one in camera sequence show Kriss walking ahead of Lisanne WITHOUT her hands tied behind her back. When a bad break happens at ankle level and the body decomposes and gets scavenged once the flesh and muscle is gone the foot and shoe are separated from the rest of the leg. I wonder why the girls didnt do any text messages even if they never got through? Maybe you can find more answers about this horrible story. So without doubt, someone tampered with the photos to some degree. A lot of times countries dont want investigations to be publicized or they shut them down as best they can in order for their tourist trade to not be hurt!!!!! Were their phones not able to text? Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information. All items were in one place at this point, and together the elements and biology dispersed them and kept some for the jungle. Shes clearly holding a bottle of water in her left hand in front of her. Once there, the families and detectives began a massive search. Bringing justice to assailants that harm tourists is very often not a top priority, and it shows through the number of botched investigations. There are over 30 fingerprints on the blue backpack which belongs to one of the girls, but they dont want to investigate the fingerprints. Stop trying to read too much into it. Yes, I think its the entrance to a short cave. The circular part looks like vines to me, but the portion in the middle has potential to be a cow skull. A man and a woman. I agree with you that what happened is not some misadventure. You mention the research team. Wonder if this case has any similarities? Aside from the various graffiti markings, the one thing that looks potentially creepy is the circular, hanging object. Hi Chris..I just came across this story yesterday and it was really sad and disturbingI hope the truth comes out too. Highly probable. The hanging object and other points of interest you highlighted reminded me of this. Panamas government is stuck in a desperate position. They keep trying to call emergency. Also, #509 was deleted after all of the other photos were taken, which means someone went back and deleted it after all of the nighttime photos were taken. One indication is that I cannot see the shoulder strap of her top that is obscured by her white/fair forearm. and then found by someone and then the real nightmare started. The remains of two American women who went missing after their plane crashed off the coast of Panama a month ago have been recovered, officials said. Why did he leave them? Clearly the trash on the rocks indicates it had active people. It most certainly is not a joke. Ive been into crime shows lately and my husband says I should be an investigator because Im obsessed. I want to come!! Many people in El Salvador permit their dogs to roam freely outside in the streets and forests. There are more answers out there that are still possible to gather. I am very familiar with the Koude Kas posts. They probably came off the summit the wrong way. As you mention, she is blocking the sun with her hand and keeping her head down. As for the night pics Im going to also throw this one out there and say the photos were heavily darkened to take away what was really there in view and then the spotty weather areas were added over including the rain drops. Please note: Our team is committed to accuracy of information and respecting the privacy of those involved with this disappearance case. Do we know who owned the dog named Blue (aka Azul). Perhaps incriminating photos existed on the camera before and new photos were taken to overwrite the cameras memory files, therefore preventing the old photos from being extracted from the cameras digital memory. Her right hand is clearly raised in front of her shading her face from the sunlight. I would prefer to stay anonymous and off the website, so you have permission to use my email. She is not tied up, there is no rope around her waist and there are no hidden or blurry people in the photo. Please read. The picture people think she is looking down she is hanging with hands tied behind her back. Cave photo: One could argue that the inherent risk of traveling to under-developed countries is exciting for the reason that theres potential danger and less authoritative control. I find it really creepy, but maybe Im looking at it wrong due to shadows and light. News Group Newspapers Limited in England No. I speculate about potential reasons. I cant explain it but again it resembles so many of the bizarre cases which author and former cop David Paulides has brought (thousands of these similar events) right here in the US and Canada. What people are mistaking as swelling of the right eye/cheek is simply the sunlight highlighting the contours of the right side of her face while the left side is in shadow, probably combined with squinting of the right eye due to the bright light. Two journalists take the same hike the girls took. I hope someday the family has answers. Apparently this villager travelled abroad, adopted extremist Christian views, returned home and started a cult in his own village which resulted in human sacrifices of other locals. Froon had a Canon Powershot SX270 HS which contained numerous photos, many of which were of the period of time leading up to the day of the girls disappearance. Its sad because Panama is a beautiful country with a lot of wonderful people. Minha Querida menina. There are a lot of different indigenous tribes of Panama, most of which are peaceful. ITS SHAPED LIKE A BRA. September 1, 2022. Only returning them in hopes of getting the reward. I agree with you. In fact, its probable to some degree. The parallel side-supports would have been covered with leaves in order to make a suitable temporary roof. I have seen some gruesome stuff where a captor will smash the feet of a captive to prevent escape. Rainfall probably washed the bag into the water. 2. Hi Anna, yes, Im aware of that and thank you for shedding light on that for other readers. A tragedy and a mystery but in its core, this is only a horrible accident. And thinking its more possible that another person with a bleachbath and a Laptop/PC is wandering the jungle in Panama just shows me how little people nowadays know how dangerous the outdoors can be. The jungle was searched for another ten days with the help of the cops from the Netherlands - but there was no sign of the girls. Where did you hear this? The ambulatory friend began to assess how she might reach her friend, but underestimated the difficulty involved, thereby becoming less able to extricate herself from the jungle. They usually drown their victims, hit and run car accidents, or just disappear the victim, etc anything that ensures theres no obvious intent to the police. I wanted to her a benefit of the doubt before I came across this article, yes she did mention red and black feathers on a piece of wood and turquoise pendant and a white mask. I think Juantarctica made a compelling case on YouTube for this theory. Im not saying that I dont think foul play was involved. If you look closely at the top left part of this photo, you can see that, behind all the criss-crossed twigs and branches, there is a bank of rock. Its up to the public now the government closed the case 6 years ago. Fact. She is NOT looking at the ground, but at the camera, with her face up. After a second look, I found that the Yahoo article specifically states that it was 17 foreigners belonging to another sect, but Yahoo was somewhat unclear Foreign can have a lot of meanings in this context. I posted a link at Koude Kas of example of Monkeys playing with phones because they were entranced by the flash. "For now, however, this finally marks the beginning of our grieving process and provides us with a path to closure.". Thanks in advance! In 2020 the number of international visitors to Australia dropped to 6.7 million due . Their families went to the police to. Might look harmless and untouched which is why she is standing so close but then she is either caught or trapped in a booby trap lol. It looks like there may be some red on her face too or other markings. Thanks for the observation. Dutch authors Marja West and Jrgen Snoeren claim they have solved the mystery in their book Lost in The Jungle. Fortunately, I have that ability. Im sorry but the question deserves a dumb answer. The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System reported that more than 600,000 people go missing in the US every year, but the majority are quickly . Their story captivated me for some reason. Please remember to be considerate of the two girls that lost their lives and their families. Reading this reminded me of another photo the girls took of a branch with what appears to be red plastic attached to it. I really feel that this place is the key to what happened to the girls. Its a sect of foreign Christians that set up in the area and murdered 6 people FROM one of the local tribes. They talk as if it would be difficult to branch off the trail, but maybe they did not notice other paths that could have been taken? What I DO see is a very definite path. Perhaps this was a cave hang-out spot used by local teenagers. Please support us we cant do it without you. Yes, you are right that a great deal of caution is necessary. And if other people learn too much, they get killed too. Their families believed the women were still in the unrecovered plane wreckage, and as the search stretched on for days and then weeks, they pleaded with the U.S. government for help they said never came. But absolutely everything points to it being a case of underestimating the jungle and dying from exposure. Even if that had happened, the skeleton would have been more intact and scratch marks would have been found on the bones. Just a few weeks later hes found dead. Ive seen the chronological order of the photos posted by Scarlet and some of the strikes me as being askew. It looks like something hand-made. Like a trap net or something. In any case, this doesnt give any insight as to why there are no photos taken from that day beyond the first stream crossing. Also, no organ stealing, no cartels, no people traffickers, nothing to do with tribes, cults, sects, etc. Required fields are marked *, I just gave the brief overall story of what I think happened. During thistime,Kremers and Froon repeatedly called for help. She would probably have gone into what looks like a cave or hut behind her, which may have been a booby trap leading to a long drop either through the floor or at the back of the cave. Here are some ideas Ive speculated about. Kris Kremers, 21, and Lisanne Froon, 22, went for a walk through the scenic forests around the Baru volcano in Boquete - and never returned. In Central America, dogs arent usually seen as something to protect and cuddle. The people in Panama may be afraid to speak, but in Europe, the USA and other Central American countries there are pods of people still working on the case. From Chriss other article it seems the girls took a taxi to the hiking starting point? The commenters here are speculating wildly about this particular picture. The search efforts moved into the forests where the young women traversed, using on-foot search teams and dog units. The Panamanian government had requested that the U.S. deploy assets including Navy salvage divers and sonar to aid in the search effort and locate the wreckage in the days after the crash, but the request was denied due to a lack of assets and jurisdiction, according to a statement from the Velleman and Borries families. It only makes the image look more detailed, but the detail is artificial and can be very misleading. It suggest that this case goes deeper than we imagine. Most disappearance cases dont get such publicity, so you can imagine how much less effort goes into them. For the next three days she keeps moving, weakened by exposure to the elements and at the edge of starvation. Many of the leads were simply not followed fingerprints, interviewing key suspects, identifying the precise location where evidence was discovered, etc. Shes describing the things youve noticed on the pic!!!! What I find unusual is that in a panic they did not repeatedly try unless she kept pressing redial and that does not register as a second attempt. If you think America is safe you are ignorant! I think it would be a mistake to assume Lisanne knew her friends password. Thanks for pointing this out. by Chris | Jan 29, 2020 | Crime Abroad, Kris Kremers. One question sticking to the government interference and coverup, with the deletion of a photo (nr, 531?) Loads of speculations as to why they didnt leave messages to their families. What is peculiar is that there were no attempts to contact anyone other than the emergency services. Perhaps he gave some other persons a lift with the girls as is one of the stories out there. Looks like shes holding her hand up to shield her eyes. Is the time that photo was taken known? They couldnt have been that far away from the return trail to Boquette. I cant imagine the rednecks in Alto Romero or the lads from Calderas having the wit to bother with it. If the culprit is not brought to book, the rest of the world says it is to protect the tourist industry. No sir, just ordinary incompetence. If you can rule out getting lost or falling off the trail in that circle, all my money is on foul If I remember correctly half of a pelvic bone was found that belong to the other girl so I think we should give the other girl some thought. Not lurking or following the girls or walking beside them; nothing. You will notice another branch of dead leaf just below it. That is EXACTLY what it looks like to me! I also see something above the brown circle, like a ring of colored balls or ???? All very different from the happy silly girlie pictures at the beginning. For me the strongest clue that not anything sinister happened is that the family refused to have ALL photos released because some show the girls in a very rough state. Does anyone know if the dog they brought with them is in any photos from the hike? When browsing the images that were on Lisanne Froons phone, I also noticed that a lot of other websites cropped off the top of this particular photo of Kris Kremers. Im happy my work could shed some light on the possible items in the picture. I upscaled that image with AI correction and its 100x more clear that there is obviously a trap or makeshift roofing above her. No,they werent murdered. There IS anecdotal info that Lisannes BF made contact with her at 1400 or so on the 1st April but maybe that was Dutch time not Panama time? If the dog was with them, we cannot know for how long, nor why the dog left the girls. Phone records. Experts proposed several theories about how and why the women took thesephotos. Wonder if it could be a piece of an aircraft wreckage. For the first handful, a correct password was entered. After this, the photos were from April 8, 2014and likely snappedbetween 1 amand 4 am. It was taken on the Continental Divide on April 1st, 2014 with the recorded time: 13:20:32. This is because people who knew the area were able to recognize that the nighttime photos were likely taken at Caldera springs, more than 20 miles from the area the girls allegedly went missing at. The overriding input is human. It looks as though she has a mouse under her right eye. The grimace on Kris face is because she is in pain. Wow. Debra Ann Velleman, of Waukesha, Wis., and Sue L. Borries, of Teutopolis, Ill., are missing after their plane crashed off the coast of Panama on Jan. 3, 2022. One of them probably fell got hurt, a local found them said they would help and well they didnt help they killed them and dumped in River knowing the river would remove any evidence. Like local tribesmen. You ask good questions. At this point I have to agree with him, and I think its likely the trail guide and some men they met were somehow involved. There are too many variables involved, so I dont speculate much about the dog. If a cave was found that would be big news and there could be DNA evidence inside it. You can bet your life if someone was with them at that point, then they were the culprits who had something to do with the girls disappearance. Im considering putting together a research team to visit Panama and further investigate the details of the case interviews, videos, mapping terrain, etc. If you are in the middle of the jungle, lost, and desperately trying to find service, why waste your battery by logging into your phone. I think this has been added to hide the fact that Kris was not wearing boots, as this was a shot of her from somewhere else and superimposed on the jungle scene. The bag contained her camera as well as two pairs of sunglasses, $83 in cash, Froons passport, a water bottle, two bras, and both womens phones. On April 3, 2014, authorities began an aerial search of the forests and an on-foot search ofBoquete. There are dead animals and skeletons strewn all across the ground. This lady, Pitti, she is under much suspicion as she practically botched the investigation efforts with her repeated lack of discipline in collecting and documenting and directing the case. The blood on her leg is, again, a shadow. & is that some sort of an entrance to a cave or another makeshift structure shes crouching to take a look inside- or is a part of the trail in that spot purposefully made lower & narrower in order to pass through? The critical time is between the last foto and the first SOS call. In this one its clear that Kris has her hand up, closed eyes and stuck out tongue. Since they were two young women from Europe, I can easily see the possibility that they offended the wrong man. Lisanne's bones appeared as if they had decomposed naturally - but Kris' bones were mysteriously stark white as if they had been bleached, raising questions about whether someone had been involved in her death. And the hair photo shows him holding Kris by the neck (you can see his fingers, one wearing a silver ring with faces engraved on it). Thats perplexing to me. Its part of life in the countryside and small towns. The simplest explanations are most likely to be the correct explanations. Then consider Kris and Lisannes parents when they trekked with a group along the trail, across two streams, until they reached a field with the disintegrating fence posts and the tall lone tree some hundred meters away. Numerous families of disappeared family members have contacted me from my writing and the following is nearly always the sentiment they convey: Local authorities are unreliable, careless, slow to respond, even slower to take action, and they often hinder the familys own investigations. However, when theres monetary interests involved, especially within key industries I give those ulterior motives some weight and consideration. They know that youre supposed to find a river, so they set out in search. After frolicking in the sun and taking photos for a while they decided it was time to return home, BUT they had no idea where they entered the jungle so they could not find the way out of the jungle back go to the trail. If anything, they work harder to try and bring anyone to justice that harms a tourist. It would also be useful to know if the metatarsal bones of Lisannes foot had showed any signs of healing. Perhaps Kris fell first and Lisanne heard her scream and running in fell herself. The FBI and others have continuously tried to stonewall him from publicly making these cases and their bizarre circumstances publicly known. How Many Kids Does Linkin Park Have? perhaps there is much that was missed by a very bungled police investigation. You see the pattern to the left and right of her arm. as soon as u see 1 photoshopped pic u know something is wrong,, the bag turned up to keep the police from searching the jungle. Or whoever deleted the photos may have overlooked to delete this one as they could have done it in a hurry as well. No dog. Thank you for your consideration. The families continued to plead with the U.S. government to send equipment and personnel to aid in the search and recovery effort. It was the last time anyone saw the women alive. Why no video diary? Apart from the fact if she was photoshopped in this picture, i.m.o. Before you even pointed out the manmade ceiling structure I noticed that. The Lost Girls of Panama: The Full Story ^ From that point the trail leads over another dangerous cable bridge, and two more rickety plank swing-bridges, before reaching the Ngobe village of Alto Romero on the banks of the Culebra. However, upon closer inspection, shes really ducking her head as to say look at the things over my head. This whole incident is the stuff of horror movies and very chilling, even if it was an accident. What kind of twisted f*ck stick makes this kind of comment? Note the shadow across her face , covering her eyes: that is from her hand. It could be that the taxi driver couldve called someone and given them a heads up that two beautiful young ladies had just headed up the Pianista alone. What we do know is for 5 days after they disappeared, her phone was checked about a dozen times. The abductor is a deeply religious man, in his own demented way, and he sees this as a sign from God. Also subsequently one or the other phone connected without them obviously knowing. But, Who took the photos on later dates? Blue is an uncommon color in the rainforest for anything of that size. Its texture and color seemingly resembles the red bag tied to the SOS stick on the rock later on, imo. It seems likely it was tribal. The night time photos are not relevant but the result of someone playing with the camera. This case is certainly not finished. The back of the shirt was soiled (you interpret). https://voyager.lupomesky.cz/kremers-froon/kris-gully-3composite.jpg. This connected callwas stable for roughly two seconds. I think the girls were made or persuaded against their wishes and by persons unknown, to go beyond the end of the Pianista trail to goodness knows where! And one of the images chillingly showed the back of Kris' head with what some sleuthes believe is blood leaking from her temple. At 2:50 they start walking up to what I believe is the location in this photograph, Not a cave but an old bridge you can see the railing and bridge post and there is a weird shadow to the left behind the railing.