They have the power to do so and they’ve shown that they’re willing to use it. 921(a)(24) “The term ‘firearm silencer’ or ‘firearm muffler’ means any device for silencing, muffling, or diminishing the report of a portable firearm, including any combination of parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for use in assembling or fabricating a firearm silencer or firearm muffler, and any part intended only for use in such assembly or fabrication.”. The use or possession of this type of firearm accessory is heavily regulated in some states. He barely got EPA in. An EO telling the ATF to chill or write a formal reg (i.e. I called my congressmans office asking about when the HPA might come out of committe and the idiot who answered the phone had no clue what I was talking about. I have toyed with the idea of picking one up, but *NOT BEFORE* I had a signed Form 1 with a stamp attached to it all nice and legal in my hand. repealing two, supposedly) would take seconds of his Twitter schedule. Unless you are a prohibited person or a black helicopter conspiracy nut you need to either fill out a Form 1 to make a piece of shit solvent trap into a suppressor (current Form 1 wait times seem to be only about 6 weeks) or just plop down some good money, get the photos and fingerprints, fill out the Form 4 and send in your $200. So as not to confuse, we do not carry Solvent Trap … However, before doing so he had several questions: 1)  Which component would comprises the actual ‘suppressor’ … the adapter or the tube? Killing the EPA can’t come soon enough. We also offer premium engraving services, in addition to multiple finishing options. Please remind me, when was Trump’s ATF director confirmed? (2) It is unlawful for any person to buy, sell, barter, or otherwise exchange for profit, or to offer to buy, sell, barter, or otherwise exchange for profit, the raw fur, as defined by Section 4005, of any fur-bearing mammal or nongame mammal that was trapped in this state, with a body-gripping trap as described in paragraph (1). Just because they don’t get the coverage doesn’t mean they won’t boot down your door and take everything you have. But just like the idiot who intercepted a shipment of airsoft guns claiming that they could be “easily converted” to fire live ammo, some ATF offices have gone after some of … For those unfamiliar with a ‘solvent trap’ adapter, it is an adapter that allows an oil filter to be threaded on one end and the other end will fit a threaded barrel. I prefer to pay the extra, buy legally and if they raid my house while I am gone hunting they won’t find anything illegal, plus I just sleep better at night. Silicone tubes, epoxy, JB Weld & threading dies could all be construed as being part of some conspiracy to get around the law, when using the ATF’s tortured logic. If he had time to replace the head of the EPA he could have damn well done the same at the ATF. F the ATF! I am in no, nor have I ever been in fear of the EPA kicking my door in and shooting my dog swat style. Napa 4003 Fuel Filter. Not to mention the Maglite suppressors are garbage anyways. Agents seized the products and his computer (with potentially all the customer records) and charged him with a Federal crime (specific crime not specified). Who knows? Please make sure you review the details before purchasing. Complete Solvent Filter, Solvent Trap. He wanted to file a Form 1 and, upon approval, legally build an inexpensive suppressor. There’s more than one swamp to drain and hes been in office under 90 days. Though maybe adapters are now non-regulated since the ATF specfically said the tube/sheath of a can is the serialized part (though all parts are still regulated)? On the priorities of anti-American bullshit, the EPA is orders of magnitude above the ATF. And because they are a licensed manufacturer they can replace the oil filters as they become worn for a modest fee … $25 at the present time. Never miss a big story. If we sell it, it's in stock and ready to ship -- unless we specifically tell you otherwise. I’ve been going to gun shows since 1978 or so and I’ve never seen anything like that, if you did it was probably an ATF sting operation. You replacin’ internals on the sly without a license, huh?”. I got into the conversation and agreed that between companies that sell the parts kits and instructions on how to do it it is indeed pretty easy. Solvent traps are used by game hunters to conveniently clean firearms after use. I wouldn’t touch one if I found it in the street. I get a kick out of the people that ask them if it’s a suppressor, and the guy trying to make a sale tip-toeing around how it’s really illegal, but hey it’s your call. ► LLC Formation, ► Non-NFA Items Spreadsheet There were some young men working at a garage I went to and they were discussing how easy it was to make a solvent trap suppressor. They can and will “kick your door down” and do it in full tactical kit but I can’t speak to their proclivity for shooting canines. For more detailed facts about California Animal Trapping Laws, click here on the Rodent Guys website. Do you have any idea how serious of a charge it is to be caught with an unregistered NFA item? Yes, the law is ludicrous, I am not defending the law. They are sold as “Solvent Traps”. Trapping License, Junior $41.72 What I’d like to know, if any of you were caught up in this type of BS, do you shoot back? Well, homeslice still has a felony record and that ain’t gonna be undone. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together can see that a couple minutes with a drill (or a couple rounds of AP ammunition) would put a hole through the trap and turn it into an honest to God silencer. I think we may be close. I know of one company that still sells threaded tubes, Stainless, Carbon Steel, Aluminum and Titanium. This is a new cleaner is based on a “siloxanes,” a material that is 100% VOC exempt and listed as the #1 Preferred Solvent Choice of the South Coast Air Quality Management District. Hell even a pillow constituting a suppressor part wouldn’t be surprising given their track record. From the controversy with the “pistol brace” open letter to pot scrubbers and even silencer wipes the ATF appears to be on a roll re-classifying items and practices that have long been accepted as legal and aggressively enforcing their interpretation of the law. No, the owner was a close friend of Henry Bowman. 3)  The adapter and the tube would share the same serial number. Under Statutory Law, government can quite literally deem anything to be “illegal” … such as making a tube with threads at one end that mate with common threads on firearm barrels. Solvent traps are just another example of how if a large enough percentage of Americans don't support a law, we will make a mockery of it. The ATF has been cracking down on “solvent trap” kit manufacturing companies ever since, starting with SD Tactical in January. As the EPA itself says of it’s own CID Agents: “EPA’s Criminal Investigation Division (EPA CID) Special Agents are fully authorized law enforcement officers empowered to enforce our nation’s environmental laws as well as any other federal law in accordance with the guidelines established by the Attorney General of the United States (18 U.S.C. © COPYRIGHT 2020, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. I also let them know that most of even the Form 1 Maglight and Solvent trap suppressors were ok but lacking the quality internals and accessories. When will the 2nd be used as intended? Never mind that things like AR lowers with holes engraved on them or silencer baffles with predrill holes are functionally incapable of fulfilling the function requirements of the law, the ATF has been assuring us they are indeed finished items or indistinguishable for many years and court cases. Even if it’s your first felony it will be a firearms related one and you will probably never get to own a firearm again, let alone a relatively easy to buy suppressor… He’ll, they sell them at Sportsman’s Warehouse…. Remember that it was the Trained Gorilla in Chief who appointed the current ATF, not Trump. Riddle me this….why has he not replaced the director yet? Solvent Trap Etc. is it too close for NFA's constructive possession since a solvent trap and a drill bit essentially is everything for a form 1 version of it (you know what "it" is don't say the word) Google “threaded maglite tubes” and it should be the 3rd hit. Foghorn is a gun nerd living and working in San Antonio, Texas. OK Homeowner With AR-15 Shoots, Kills Three Home Invaders: Defensive Gun Use of the Day, http://thetruthaboutguns.com/author/foghorn/, SAF, CCRKBA, FPC Sue Maryland Over Its ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban Law, FPC Moves for Injunction, Expedited Trial in Pennsylvania Under 21 Firearm Carry Lawsuit. Stay informed. Because someone who said it was OK when you made your investment just decided out of the blue that you are now in violation and must be put away for the safety of all in society. Can firearms still be gifted after Abramski. Anyone can buy tubing and unfinished baffles and make a suppressor or flats and bending jigs to build “semi autos”. Solvent Traps Direct is the largest, full-stocking dealer of Solvent Traps in the United States. Obozo’s lackeys still run the ATF and they are trying get some statist jack boot measures through before he sets his sights on them. You would need a bull barrel, I think. Subscribe now. There are no ATF regs that are legal under the constitution. They do NOT sell end caps, freeze plugs other parts that could be used in a suppressor. Note:7 required per Quiet Bore 5.56/30cal solvent trap. Second Opinion) Good Afternoon. Are we tired of winning yet? CIRCLE FILE THE ATF AND THE GCA, JAIL THE SIGNERS, STRIP THEIR KIDS OF ALL ASSETS AND PEACE AND QUIET. I’d put on my shocked face but I seem to have misplaced it while cleaning the house last night. Even in Europe they have moreceived common sense than us when it comes to supressors. Even Ruger 10/22 rifles, which cannot be cleaned from the breech without modification, are shown with these solvent traps in place. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. a business shuttered by the ATF earlier this year. Make silencers impossible for the everyman to own again!! B-But Eric Trump is pro-gun, pro-silencer, did a Youtube with SilencerCO! We are still slaves nonetheless and our government masters can demand our money and lives at any moment. 2)  While a licensed manufacturer could change out such a component, an individual or trust who made a suppressor on a Form 1 could not unless they registered a new suppressor on a new Form 1 and submitted an addition $200 tax. Maddening, right? POS way the ATF promulgates rules, and the shifting sands it creates ARE WHOLLY THE PURPOSE OF INFRINGEMENT, so as to keep you far back from the edge of [F all of you and your BS] “established legal limits” and “parameters’. But yet I can go to gun shows and those idiots who sell oil filter adapters can have them screwed on to actual firearms with filters installed and nobody says boo. Companies who offer solvent trap part kits for sale were on the wrong side of the law. Meanwhile I’m just happy he’s causing tree hugging prius driving LGBTWTFBBQ pansies some real pain. The whole idea of using “solvent traps”, oil filters and 2 Liter pop bottles as suppressors is just asking for trouble in the form of a lose your gun rights felony. If you can pass a NICS check for a regular firearm you will be approved for a suppressor… current wait time is about 8-11 months for Form 4’s. If we have to live with the EPA for a couple of more months to logically expand and solidify our second amendment right so poor bastards like this guy who is now sitting behind bars facing federal charges for having a legitimate business for however long right up until someone officially changed an opinion. Still stupid as hell. Whenever you try to operate on the edge of the law you should expect these things to happen. We do not customize these. This seems to be happening a lot recently. Dimensions: length: 9" Outside diameter: 1.5" Weight: 22oz Comes with a selection of 1/2x28TPI,5/8x24 TPI, or Q Cherry bomb adapter… $ 420.00 – $ 450.00 Oddly there is no rule against threading a barrel to a common oil filter pitch/size. The bureau noticed. They can, and sometimes will, simply write you a letter explaining to you how they’re all up in your business. Allowing a non-lawmaking org without oversight and holding them to process who can make “rule of law” via mere policy. ► Estate Plan For Couples Sometime around the time Donald Trump was elected the ATF appears to have changed its mind. You can get inside/outside threaded (like a MagLite tube) or inside/inside threaded that take a MagLite battery endcap. No law can keep someone from obtaining a sound suppressor, who really wants one. Are Solvent Traps Legal? Two of the companies, Dark Side Defense and Solvent Traps, Etc., were forced to close. Because a new director requires Congressional approval. “Ebay has dozens of people (and federal agents too, probably) selling the adapters.. Trump is about to sell the 2A downstream to the highest bidder. They’ve determined that the manufacture of solvent traps is now equivalent to the manufacture of an unregistered silencer. The only question is: Who wants to be the test case, any volunteers? Indeed, just give them time, however, and such an oversight will be rectified. This should be a non-issue. The only reason why the BATFE thugs would cause trouble is because they are afraid someone might buy a solvent trap and not pay their tax on it. EPA CID has conducted massive armed raids in the past. “Still, the chances that the ATF show up will a bullcrap warrant are MUCH greater than the EPA.”. Probably the best choice for users in California is the new VOC-Free Flux Remover – UltraClean™ (#MCC-VOC). The EPA however can come after you for a myriad of reasons just for the fact that not every drop of rain that falls on your property stays there. While mice are technically included in California’s current definition of “non-game mammals,” SB 1645 does not apply to ordinary residents who set traps … Received notice of seizure and information to Claimants Non-Cafra form stating "EA Firearm/Suppresor" Should I ignore the letter as I don't want the item and the associated issues with Customs although the item usage and intended usage was to trap solvent in cleaning. They were blown away by the quality, the baffles and the modularity of my unit. Grant the company members Immunity from prosecution or grant them Amnesty. I need another 9mm can and was about to pull the trigger on a higher end solvent trap. Since as originally manufactured they are not intended to silence, muffle or diminish the report of a portable firearm they are not silencers as defined in 18 U.S.C. Right now he has bigger fish to fry. These are the guys who got a janitor, a fucking janitor, convicted of a federal felony for pouring water mixed with floor soap down a drain he didn’t even know led to a stream. How many times does trump have to punch the gun world in the face before it stops crawling back into his bed? That’s essentially what happened here. I beg to differ on that one. Panty-waist Crybaby whiners. These filters are one of hte most popualr filters for attaching to any of our rifle Solvent Trap Adapters. Perhaps not a very good one, but serviceable. This is what happens when you define law by “policy” and obfuscation. I’ve only been going to shows for the last 3 years, about 2 or 3 times a year, at different venues near Charlotte, and everyone of them has 1 or 2 booths with the adapters and oil filters timing right next to it. The latest victim of this crack down: Solvent Traps Etc, a company whose Facebook page does not do a very good job at all at that whole “subtle hinting” thing about possible uses for their products. ATF Shuts Down Another DIY “Solvent Trap” Business, Indicts Owner for Criminal... TTAG Email Subscribers Entered to Win a SIG SAUER SIG716 G2 Patrol Rifle! excuse me, but um, why is the Atf still even in existence? Just keep thinking that everything that big daddy says is bad, is actually bad. (BTW, that company is about 10 miles from where I am.). He also reviews whiskey and talks about woodworking at. That would be a logical assumption, however this is not a bureaucratic agency that arbitrates within the realms of logic. ... california, etc are little better than china / north korea at this point in regards to gov doing sketchy shit. The ATF has addressed these questions before and a copy of the relevant portion of a guidance letter can be viewed below. Another example is in California where they banned bullets .50" or larger because some people wanted to fire the evil, no-sporting-purpose .50 BMG cartridge. You pretty much stated what I was going to say. What was is one day given the nod of approval can the very next, turn you into a felon. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. We are going to get nothing from this administration except to maybe be reminded how much worse it could be. That’s arguable. The likelihood that either would come after you is slim but I would rate the chances that you run afoul of the EPA as greater simply because they have a much, much broader enforcement area which means there are more ways to find yourself in violation of one rule, law or diktat, one which you may not even know about. Fun fact; the Hearing Protection Act is the proud baby of none other than that Freedom Caucus the T-Man was bad mouthing just yesterday (and I think at like 2am this morning via Twitter). In terms of destroying the country’s economy, the EPA has done more than the ATF could dream of. Don’t be stupid, it’s not worth it. I mean, it’s not like anyone can really say they didn’t know they weren’t allowed to possess explosives without a license or manufacture gin in their shed without a distillery license. A month or less wait to form 1 a can, very appealing. But somehow the magistrate edicts of some jerk serving under Henry the First or whomever in eras past were put on a pedestal. in LATEST UPDATES FROM THE SHOOTERS UNION CAMPAIGNERS 17th May 2017 0 7,044 Views. Armory Den is your reliable wholesale partner and nationwide distributor of high-quality solvent traps, Adaptive Solvent Traps (AST’s), solvent trap parts, end caps, jig/drill kits, adaptors, firearm cleaning kits, accessories and more! Reviews There are no reviews yet. Therefore, it would generally not be cost effective to plan on using a ‘solvent trap’ adapter as the basis of a Form 1 build since you would be stuck using a single oil filter for its entire service life. They might decide to regulate them as “Destructive Device” parts, i.e., Pipe Bomb. So while possessing solvent trap cups is perfectly legal, possessing incomplete silencer baffles without an approved Form 1 is not, even if they are one in the same. California has enacted a new ban on fur trapping for animal pelts, making it the first state to outlaw a centuries-old livelihood that was intertwined with the rise of the Western frontier. SOLVENT TRAPS ARE LEGAL. I think that the priorities in this situation are completely reversed. sec. 3)  Which component would need to be serialized? So, i like the idea of a solvent trap, as a legitimate method to keep gun crap and gun solvent off of my apartment floor. Hell, he could tell them via Twitter for all I care. The Trace. For years the ATF has said that solvent traps are legal to produce and possess, but as soon as they are re-designed to allow a bullet to pass through them the traps become illegal unregistered silencers (unless a Form 1 is approved and the silencer is registered). Were precedent given very low respect compared to the plain statutory language, we would indeed be hearing arguments found in “shall not be infringed” as opposed to “commerce clause” and would be far closer to our original practice of the law, or would have properly modified our system via law and amendment. In 2012 a man was sentenced to 2 years in a Federal penitentiary for illegal possession of a homemade suppressor. Solvent Trap Kit - Solvent Trap, Fuel Filter for NAPA 4003 WIX 24003, Provides Maglite Suppressor, Napa 4003 Fuel Filter, Titanium Solvent Trap Solvent Trap Suppressor, 223 Solvent Trap Kit, Solvent Trap Adapter, Maglite Solvent Trap, 4003 Fuel Filter, Solvent Trap Baffles. Suppressors, solvent traps, and legal traps. The concept of a “solvent trap” kit is about as subtle of an end run around the National Firearms Act as “bath salts” are an end run around the Controlled Substances Act. Even in the rare cases when the ATF does crack down, retailers have found ways to circumvent punishment. Why Does the ABA Have a Standing Committee on ‘Gun Violence’. The question of when a solvent trap becomes a suppressor is one that should be considered carefully by a would-be purchaser. Fast forward to modern day times, when internet retailers like Amazon sell solvent trap kits online. Be the first to review “5.56/30cal Internal” Cancel reply. Solvent traps are designed to collect cleaning fluid from the barrel of a gun, and amateur gunsmiths can easily convert them into suppressors. The seizure warrant was issued based on the Court’s finding of probable cause that the website facilitated the unlawful sale of items marketed as “solvent traps.” “Swear to god agent Joe, those extra filters are for the car, no constructive intent here, and what about that hacksaw?”. You and your employer don’t get to have any input on that. Sellers of "solvent traps" were pushing the legal envelope. Oil Filter Solvent Trap Adapter 1/2x28. This is the problem, 18 U.S.C. First off, the EPA will have absolutely everything to do with your employer if they decided that they do. Price $59.99. Hopefully we’ll be able to figure it out before the ATF reclassifies varmint grenades as actual grenades. However, legal concerns have arisen over solvent trap use due to the fact that solvent traps can potentially be altered to function as silencers or suppressors. Our Maglite solvent trap adapter kit was designed to replace the original ends on a standard D cell maglite housing. Number-seven most viewed on the Congress website, and yet it’s being ignored, or at best the reps are completely oblivious. So keep your powder dry gentlemen. The threaded adapter to fit filter to barrel is the missing link that will get you in trouble,. Op-Ed Piece: Our site carries affordable legal Solvent Traps, Solvent Trap Kits and Solvent Trap parts made of carbon steel, aluminum and titanium.. There are more patriot constitutional oath keepers than ATF. The EPA has absolutely nothing to do with my employer and even if it did can you really compare being put out of work to having your door kicked in for no good reason? Facebook. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. ATF rules and the laws governing the things they regulate are generally pretty obvious. The relevant portion of the ATF guidance letter is as follows: ► NFA Trust Believe it or not, you CAN LEGALLY build one. They’ve determined that the manufacture of solvent traps is now equivalent to the manufacture of an unregistered silencer. Granted, pretty much everyone has a MUCH better life than the African slaves of the late 1700s. Now what do you do? filling a paper form with the government will not stop someone that WANTS to kill,,, criminal minds will do without a signed paper and do what they want,,, period,,, so why must we pay $200.00 for a paper that only the good will have to pay for,,, paper does little good to PROTECT from the criminals that will shoot/kill paper or no paper,,, this is just another Taxation without the peoples consent,,, remove a muffler from the car and pay the ATF to put on a new one,,, un-muffled engines would be a real sound problem for the people,,,, not a muffled gun,,,, ole USN vet. ► Estate Plan For Individuals These are a very efficient and cost effective solvent trap. Arsenal Attorneys: A National Firm - Offices in Virginia and California Arsenal Attorneys: A National Firm - Offices in Virginia and California CONTACT US TODAY 800.819.0608 Quit wetting the bed over this. Votes are the new currency and trump couldn’t care less about guns so he will trade 2A rights for wall votes or this trillion dollar bridge binge. Amnesty after they have been prosecuted. If you wish something different than what we have here, visit our “You build it” page and you can create your own custom set-up. The trap set up should not be within 150 feet of a permanent or temporary residence due to potential risks. It will always be a back and forth game. Grant the members of the company Immunity from Prosecution or PS-rebuttal should be something other than “they’re not trump’s regulators if they’re doing stuff I disagree with”. However, if you really like the idea of using an oil filter as a suppressor then there is another alternative. In his free time, he's a competition shooter (USPSA, 3-gun and NRA High Power), instrument rated private pilot, and enjoys mixing statistics and science with firearms. Companies who offer solvent trap part kits for sale were on the wrong side of the law. An oil filter thread is 3/4″-16TPI RH. In a post on their page (as their website is offline) the company says the ATF raided their location while the owner was on a hunting trip. “the company says the ATF raided their location while the owner was on a hunting trip.”. And for those of you with a felony record, do you know what the sentances for a felon or other prohibited person to be in possession? We are nothing more than slaves to the ruling class if our nation runs under statutory law. That is what my client was interested in doing. This is the problem with our slide away from Common Law to Statutory Law. Email Address. And then there’s Russia. I think the adapters as well as the filters are now both required to be serialized (or is the can considered a “wipe” which is now non-user-servicable?) I find it very odd that our system of law was so beholden to ancient, pre-Revolutionary practices, considering we had otherwise rejected entirely the Old World systems of governance. You have entered an incorrect email address! For someone on a budget that doesn’t own a lathe, a solvent trap is a great way to go about making a form-1 silencer. | The Legality of Solvent Traps. Solvent traps catch and trap solvent which also helps protect your skin from potentially harmful chemicals during bore cleaning processes. That is unless the landowner or resident gave a written permission to do the trapping closer to the resident. What did we vote forTrump for? 3063)…”, Further it’s been reported by Open the Books and The Washington Times that the EPA has amassed quite a little arsenal and therefore I’m guessing they, like any government agency, plan to put it into use: “Among the weapons purchased are guns, body armor, camouflage equipment, unmanned aircraft, amphibious assault ships, radar and night-vision gear and other military-style weaponry and surveillance activities”, http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/oct/10/epa-spends-millions-on-military-style-weapons-repo/. gripping traps. Just ask the person who was operating that firearm solvent trap business. Solvent traps do attach to the muzzle of a firearm but do not have any design features intended to allow a bullet to pass through them. Quit wasting time and money with other stores that make promises they can't fulfill. I hate to tell you this but serge has you by the short hairs here. This is the 9 inch Solvent Trap.They are making a 10 inch Solvent Trap now also. This is what is the problem. MAGA!! Secondly, the EPA has an armed enforcement division known as EPA Criminal Enforcement Division. No coal miner is going to walk into a mine a citizen and walk out into the arms of agents and get taken to jail. SILENCERS ARE LEGAL TOO as long as you do the right paperwork and pay the tax stamp. Most of those companies were including instructions on how to make the suppressor(how to make the pieces of metal illegal) which highlights everyone’s intentions. As sold the purpose is to facilitate barrel cleaning but with a small degree of workmanship, a properly sized washer, and an oil filter they can be converted into a suppressor. Simply the best Solvent Trap Components. 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