Landlord Cody Johnson later agreed not to evict Stedfast Baptist from the Watauga location after communicating with Stedfast's lawyer.[15][16]. And if a lost person were to stumble upon this page and read your list and how you respond to any differing opinions, would you be helping plant a seed? Also, we lived in a free Appartement with food stamps. I love devotions with the Lord. Also no one can hide hypocrisy and iniquity. Smoking, drinking, partying, dancing, listening to secular music or Contemporary music arent sinful though partying can only be sinful if you are drunk. God knows the names of his children and for anyone to accuse another of security in Christ is hypocrisy. If they are saved , I dare say they regret the day they walked into the very church you enjoy making fun of. The members were so sweet to us. Independent Baptist churches (some also called Independent Fundamental Baptist or IFB) are Christian congregations, generally holding to conservative (primarily fundamentalist) Baptist beliefs. Also, #55 there has only been and will ever only be one perfect person. Independent Fundamental Baptist or Bible-Believing Baptist) are a particularly cranky fundamentalist branch of unaffiliated 6 Dont waste what is holy on people who are unholy. If you believe that attending an IFB church is the only way to hear the true gospel and get saved, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 36. THESE SERMON OUTLINES By Michael D. ONeal, Founder and Pastor Since 1986 Of. I have read other versions of the Bible. I do into great detail about why I believe the IFB is cultish in practice. 4. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things. (Job 3:16; Psalm 51:5; 139:14-16; Isaiah 44:24; 49:1, 5; Jeremiah 1:5; 20:15-18; Luke 1:44), We believe that God has ordained and created all authority which consists of three basic institutions: (1) the home, (2) the church, and (3) the state. I actually looked up the word just now (Random House Websters College Dictionary), and here are the definitions: 3.) Most people find it hard to swallow that anyone really thinks that way at all. 11. If you think that having a disagreement with a fellow Christian means that you are sowing discord with the brethren, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 53. If a child is behaving like a child (i.e., appropriate for his/her age), but you think they are being misbehaving and rebellious, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 40. There isn't much out there on the web. If you think that you should cut your vacation short so that you can make it back in time for Sunday morning Sunday School, but think its OK that your pastor miss a Sunday or two because hes on vacation, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 5. Even when the family goes on vacation, we go to church. And theyre most likely convinced that Donald Trumps election is really going to make their civil life better! They are already spelled out in the Bible. If you question if youre truly saved or not when youre having trouble accepting that giviing 10% of your gross income is a direct commandment for all Christians and if you dont give it, youre under a curse. Seeing 2 brothers in Christ debase a conversation (be it one or both parties) to snide remarks, tasteless jabs, and condescension as a form or response, makes us all look bad. Do I believe he punishes no, because Ive gone without tithing and had no awareness of punishment, but when I do tithe I find blessing of increase in physical and spiritual goods. For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the lawjustice, mercy, and faith. [5], New IFB pastors have been the subjects of controversy on numerous occasions. I dont believe the IFB church I go to has ulterior motives, but I havent been to any other church to apply that to all IFB churches. Our only Head is the Lord Jesus Christ and our only headquarters is heaven. Frankly its not your place to tell me what I should and shouldnt do (typical IFB who thinks they know what everyone is supposed to be doing). I respond to IFB jabs, sometimes that requires a jab back. If you believe going to the movies is a sin but not renting movies or watching them on TV, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 10. Baptist Churches Since 1975 Are From the Ministry of a Man of Whom it Has Been Said: You are probably the most childish acting preacher The abuse would continue and they would be dead and their child would be in foster care. Oh yes, and he forgot the most important, essential factorrelated to KJV reliancevirtual ignorance of and illiteracy in biblical Hebrew and Greek!!!!!!!! Should we stay living together with our baby in fornication? Many on here were saved at a IFB church. The Baptist Distinctives are easy to remember using the acronym B.A.P.T.I.S.T.S. The New Independent Fundamental Baptist network, most prominently associated with anti-LGBTQ pastor Steven Anderson, appears to be in turmoil as infighting again erupts, this time between Anderson and fellow pastors in the network. Yes. Lol. A IFB member knocked on my door one Saturday and invited us to church. I go to an IFB church and thought a few of your statements could be funny if in the right spirit, some not so much and others I found untrue altogether. My birth mother is a Catholic she didnt raise me. Ive addressed the scriptures about tithing in my article and explain it using proper exegesis and hermeneutics. Grow your faith in a less toxic environment. 25 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. And yet, they honor the Scofield Bible!!! That makes no sense. Does he always heal people no. I know you scoff at my pity but there it is. If you feel guilty for not having devotions 7 days a week, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 42. Hypocrites! Not all churches are the same and if they are teaching Bible, they do teach about sin, and it should not be to make you feel any constraint towards the pastor to get away from that sin, but to learn to have some personal conviction that their sins need to be addressed, but THEY have to make that decision. If the people in your church are truly humble, forgive easily, and believe that everyone is worthy of grace, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. The New IFB is strongly opposed to homosexuality, with several pastors advocating the belief that homosexuals should be executed by the government. LOL. I believe this passage is a description of the IFB church Im a member of. I get the vibe that you were alienate by IFB movement at some point, as were a lot of us, but dont try to use that as an excuse to go on a crusade against fellow believers. 28 Outwardly you look like righteous people, but inwardly your hearts are filled with hypocrisy and lawlessness. You wont go in yourselves, and you dont let others enter either. (Acts 20:7, Hebrews 10:24-25). Clapping after special is music is wrong because it gives praise to performers rather than to God That statement is wrong. They will not participate, as a church, in any outside function with churches which do not also strictly base their faith and practice on the New Testament. The membership 31 But in saying that, you testify against yourselves that you are indeed the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. [4] Anderson has also produced videos in which he attacks the religion of Judaism and questions the official account of the Holocaust. Even if you cant tithe now you can still serve in some way and later when you are able to improve your financial situation they will get your tithe. Thousands of people, including myself, beg to differ. God Bless. 13 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. The pastors name is Kevin Draganac. I didnt really say you can get drunk on grape juice but if I did, I might be a little confused. 39. We dont think rational thought is dangerous. It is the final authority on all matters of faith, practice, and polity. We dont believe if you get rid of all the sin in your life youll be a completely healthy person. I cant stand when preachers pound the pulpits because its distracting and irritating for me though I am not against preachers yelling as long as they dont yell too loud. WebThe Road to Emmaus Baptist Church is an independent Baptist church in Monaca, Pennsylvania. WebWe believe that Jesus gave Christians two ordinances: The Lords Supper and Baptism. I only hope that you will see it before too long. Some of these are very much right on the money. I dare say probably not. I think its easy to look at the pastor as an authority figure, someone who holds some position above you, but most of them just want that connection with you, they care, they love you, they just want whats best for you. If you refuse to use any other Bible version than the KJV because you think its either too worldly, sinful or less accurate,you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 4. Do you find them so humorous ? I talk to her about my faith she talks to me about her faith. I did read it but I still dont understand their beliefs on it.. [13] Robertson had previously attracted media attention after he stated that gay people should be shot and New Zealand prime minister Jacinda Ardern should "go home and get in the kitchen". [4][5], A split in the New IFB occurred in January 2019, after Donnie Romero, pastor at Stedfast Baptist Church-Fort Worth (SBC), resigned after it was revealed he had hired prostitutes, smoked marijuana and gambled. While I am not against crucifixes but using them in public worship is idolatry because the bible forbids idols. Theres a lot that is biblical in your post that we should want to do and some not biblical and therefore should abstain from practice. I forgot to mention my concerns on some of the other beliefs of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Church: I disclosed to (2) pastors at this church personal and heart felt feelings that I thought and grew up and was told you can talk to your pastor, because he is a man of God. Im still separate I have just decided to sin. For you shut the door of the Kingdom of Heaven in peoples faces. Pastor and his wife knew where we lived and probably wondered why, but they never asked or pried. You strain your water so you wont accidentally swallow a gnat, but you swallow a camel! N/A My mother doesnt wear fancy earrings. Oh well, maybe another discussion. Believers in a free society should influence government toward righteousness, but should not make an unholy alliance for control, influence, or favors. We believe the Blessed Hope of our Lord's return is literal, personal, visible, imminent, premillennial, and pretribulational. Or preferring the KJV? WebWARNING!!!! More than one earring per ear for women is worldly I dont agree that multiple earrings per ear for women is worldly as long its not fancy. The Lord's Supper, or Communion, commemorates Christ's broken body and shed blood giving each believer an opportunity for self-examination and rededication. I do believe the requirements of a bishop and deacon is the husband of one wife.1 Timothy 3:2,12 we dont look down on divorced people. You got me I am an IFB college grad. We are not affiliated with any man-made external organization be it a Convention, Association, Fellowship, or National Denomination. Members come into the church personally, individually, and freely. Even though I dont believe the churchs teachings anymore, Im very grateful for the care and support I received from the Baptists growing up. Only a person who has embraced the Savior in fa Continue Reading 4 AbdulQadir Salati I hope whatever poor experience you had hasnt taken you away from the faith. A strong percentage of our funding comes through several hundred local churches who support Let God tell you who He is in the letter He wrote for you and youll find a love you cannot comprehend. As of 2019, the New IFB listed 32 affiliated co All youve done in your last paragraph is parrot typical IFB talking points no substance there, just regurgitation. Like I said, Im doing repair work. Gods people are the Jews.. from Jew-dajudah. It made me think of this, Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled; Its a shame, but whattayagonnado? 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If you run into a church member at the grocery store and see that they have a bottle of wine or maybe a 6-pack of beer in their cart and you struggle over whether you should share this information with your pastor, you might be and independent fundamental Baptist! If you think that three church services per week is the minimum and that you must attend all three every week, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 9. I dont even know what a Scofield Bible is but I believe God can use divorced people. For you are so careful to clean the outside of the cup and the dish, but inside you are filthyfull of greed and self-indulgence! You feel forced to go door to door preaching No general opinion on this since door to door preaching within the IFB is very similar to that of the Jehovahs Witnesses though we should share the gospel to others, especially to those who dont have Christ in their lives. Maybe you had a bad experience or many years of bad experiences at an IFB church, but that will never excuse you from bad mouthing any of Gods people or the many IFB churches the Lord uses to spread His word or send missionaries to the remotest parts of the world to seek those who are lost. It teaches parents to use their authority to prod, guide, and correct their children. You are still required to tithe in the IFB regardless of your source of income. at people who raise their hands during worship music you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 34. Anderson and other New IFB pastors have praised the Orlando gay nightclub shooting. If you believe that doing, saying, thinking, etc. Those are my concerns about the 25 topics about the Independent Fundamental Baptist beliefs. If it did then unsaved people wouldnt be able to forgive. Even the General Baptists and the Free Will Baptists denounce eternal security, thus the only two Baptist groups that believe in Free Will. I truly dont understand this one, ha! I prefer Kjv! We believe that the clear message of salvation is repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 20:21). He is the Head of the church. We only care when we see new faces in the church, whether guests or new members. We believe the King James Bible to be inerrant. Please read the rest of the website and my story rather than just judge me. We did 2 weeks of counseling and got married at the end of our last session. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: I have no position or opinion of this People that are lost cant do what God has commanded because of unbelief. I have no opinion on this Everyone has sent in their life. So spontaneous but like it was planned. (HYPOCRISY) At its finest. I hope that you left your church in good terms and that they knew how you felt and whoever was wrong to be revived and allow the precense of God to bring the individual to the norm in other words what christian ought to be not what men want to be. Believing its a sin is one thing, believing its an unforgivable sin is another. But it cannot be pleasant carrying all that bitterness around with you every day. That may mean dressing appropriately and not dis honoring your body because its a holy temple. Hey there. 2Co 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. 34. I want no part of it except to expose it for what it is cultish. I wanted to marry my boyfriend, but I want to fix him first. We should not tell who are the good and bad Christians because we should treat everyone with love just like God loves every one of us. I can tolerate the other bits that go over board as long I am believing the word and get correct non compromising bible teaching. The bitterness argument has been answered many times. Wherever there are people, there is sin. We had no money.. She told her son Kenneth, who was 16, he had to start attending the academy and the church with her. What a typical, legalistic comment from Jason. Believe it or not I can find time to pray while at the same time not sending my loved ones to an abusive church. Im sad to here that fellow Christians cant get along, and I will start praying for all Churchs to be revived. You can be saved and live however, but there will be consequences the saddest consequence of this behavior is your relationship with God will be Hindered greatly or little. Now, I am a 25 year old women with 3 children a 4, 2, and 7 month old and my Husband is 26. If Just As I Am causes you to repent and go to the altar, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. You can read more about it here: https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/, I never said the IFB is a cult because some IFB churches may not be the best. My jabs are defensive in nature. I forgave him before he changed. 35. If I chose to forgive him there would be hope for our relationship. Baptists as a whole, are pretty terrible. I had a wedding dress from when my boyfriend proposed on December 5, 2010. I have scriptures on my walls that are from other versions. Like I said, funny post, but a bit judgmental as well. We believe that God forbids any attempt to alter one's God-given gender identity by any means, including surgery or appearance. The IFB is the one who is hurting the cause of Christ, just like the Pharisees did. We believe in the reality of the person of Satan and that he and the fallen angels wage a spiritual warfare against the plan and purposes of God (John 13:2; Acts 5:3; Ephesians 6:11-12). It is awful that they put the rules and instructions of their mythology ahead of their love for I rarely post on random pages I stumbled upon but by his reaction, he didnt think Dave intended to be offensive to prove a point. You are quick to throw in a jab about how much you dislike them, but cannot tolerate anyone saying different. The Bible gives qualifications for each office. The only sin that is not forgivable is blaspheming against the Holy Spirit. Who are the Independent Baptists, and what do they believe? Thanks. I love this!! I believe the Bible, and if you do not believe the Bible and hate what the Bible teaches, it is because your opinion is more important to you, than what the Bible says, and if that be so, then there is really no reason for you to go to church in the first place. Duh Get your mind out of the gutter. No official opinion on this though as I said we should discipline our children the same way God disciplines us I must put it in Jesus Christ. God values his word, even above his own name, and when you or I meet God, what we think means nothing to God, unless it lines up with His Word. We should teach our children of who Jesus is and how we should live a holy or Christian life. I could come to him with anything that was bothering or troubling me and he NEVER judged me or held me in contempt by making me feel like I was less than or not good enough. If you think that reading a version of the Bible other than the KJV is a sin, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 18. It took exposure to more mature Christians (who were not not IFB!) We believe that the souls of unbelievers remain, after death, in conscious misery until the second resurrection, when with soul and body reunited they shall appear at the Great White Throne Judgment, and shall be cast into the Lake of Fire, not to be annihilated, but to suffer everlasting, conscious punishment (Luke 16:19-26; Matthew 25:41-46; II Thessalonians 1:7-9; Jude 6-7; Mark 9:43-48; Revelation 20:11-15). When this life is over, it doesnt matter! On the Arminianist view the church I go to now teaches from a biblical standpoint that salvation can still be lost. If your church sings Just As I Am at the end of every service We sing that song once in a while since its a good invitational song. Id have more time to minister to the lost if I didnt have to work to repair the damage done by the IFB. God Wasnt going to see our fornicating as bringing glory to him. Point is that we are to edify with love and meekness all brothers and sisters in Christ, not criticize in front of a lost world. Interesting that Steve begins his response by taking the Lords name in vainmmmmmmm, very interesting, but hes found the truth, riiiiight. The New IFB's website lists its core doctrines as salvation by faith alone, once saved always saved, King James Bible-only, the Trinity, soul-winning, "hard" preaching, prewrath post-tribulation rapture, and opposition of worldliness, Calvinism, dispensationalism, liberalism, and Zionism. N/A Our path is narrow, must we fight amongst each other while we walk it? Ill fight against the abusive traditions and teachings of the IFB till I die. Hypocrites! Yes, because he wants to spend a little time with his child. If you believe that clapping after special music is wrong because it gives praise to the performer rather than to God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 16. Most pastors skip virtue, usually because they just dont know any better. The establishment and continuance of local churches is clearly taught and defined in te New Testa ment Scriptures (Acts 14:27; 20:17, 28-32; I Timothy 3:1-13; Titus 1:5-11). If your church allows no outside group of singers to perform at your church for fear that not all of their individual theologies line up with the churchs you might be an independent fundamental Baptist. We cant save people, only God can. If this method were a stock, who would invest in it with such a low return. Im pretty sure it WAS/IS alcohol because the bible talks alot about not getting drunk with wine.also take a little wine, etc. What Jesus did on the cross is for our salvation. around the world wherever our Lord directs. Youre perfect for them because they dont want people challenging their belief system. And that boy who has grown up in Sunday School (because I brought him in my car every week) is now in 6th grade and has experienced the concept of unconditional love and promises that are kept things which would otherwise have been foreign. 8 Dont let anyone call you Rabbi, for you have only one teacher, and all of you are equal as brothers and sisters. 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. Please read https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/ for an answer to your bitterness accusation/assumption. Baptism of believers by immersion in water symbolizes sincere faith in Christ's death, burial, and resurrection with the desire to walk in newness of life. I understand that its hard to convey emotions when typing, but the above list does not have the feel that it was done with a spirit of love but one of condemnation. All churches are full of sinful people, including the pastor. We recognize the ordinances of baptism by immersion in water and the Lord's Supper as a Scriptural means of testimony for local churches in this age (Matthew. If you compromise too much with the world, satan gets in and anything can happen thats why the word says to stay vigilant. Its NOT ABOUT US! Amen! We believe that all the redeemed, once saved are kept by God's power and are thus secure in Christ forever. 6:14-17), We believe that God has commanded that no intimate physical activity be engaged in outside of marriage between a man and a woman. Im convinced that its much much deeper than rejecting real truth .. many many come back in southern Baptist churches, but not ifb churches.. what say u. is Looking to God for missionaries to help expand the vision and ministries of G.F.F. If you see buses full of kids of all ethnicities and backgrounds coming to worship together, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. 3. For they dont practice what they teach. I had a free apartment, food stamps, government phone, and a $60.. utility check every month. Haha, thanks for the confirmation! 20. We believe in the bodily resurrection of all men, the saved to eternal life, and the unsaved to judgment and everlasting punishment (Matthew 25:46; John 5:28, 29, 11:25-26; Revelation 20:5-6, 12-13). He perhaps worded somethings poorly perhaps, but he is completely turned off by your attitude and responses Steve. Rather than attack one another, perhaps understand where both are coming from? Womens should not wear pants This is not the case at my congregation. Such as??? Hmmmmm interesting.I will bash ifb, while I mix truth and error interesting.. Nice going Steve This led to calls to evict Stedfast Baptist Church from its location at a strip mall in Watauga, Texas. What surprises me, though, is that he was ordained as a pastor and actually called to pastor DL Moodys church in Massachusetts as a divorced man. All rights reserved. Some true, some not so much. I can tell by your grammar and spelling that you arent very educated (just an observation not a judgment). 28. However, some (I agree Ogrodnik) are unfair and judgmental. If your church encouraged you to make your own decision about becoming baptized, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. If you believe that that the wine referred to in the bible is nothing more than the fruit of the vine I generally agree with this part especially when it comes to the Lords Supper because wine from a biblical perspective is grape juice even though I still question if it is NOTHING MORE than the fruit of the vine. Im told its because when u abandon the real truth, theres hardly any hope. No, because thats not Gods will. If you feel compelled to go door to door witnessing (or were compelled to visit a nursing home as a teen), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 28. The ones that do apply, I dont see a problem with (ie, we do have a track rack and we do have a van that picks up from surrounding neighborhoods and I do enjoy attending church 3 times a week and would enjoy more if possible.) [11] Also in June 2019, Grayson Fritts, pastor at New IFB-affiliated All Scripture Baptist Church and a former detective for the Knox County, Tennessee, Sheriff's Office, delivered a sermon calling for the execution of gays.[12]. Saying that Baptism is not necessary for salvation but rather it is an obedience to Christ is a liberal view of baptism and is unbiblical. This list are things that are unique to the IFB. But, all teasing aside, the author and other commentators sound very bitter and unhappy so I honestly feel badly for you.