I am pretty sure the ww2 helmet was worn protecting/ patrolling the British Houses of Parliament after he was injured in standard service. Few military helmets that have ever been manufactured are as iconic as the Brodie helmet. What are the chances that the Big Red One emblem is original? dailyinfo[17]=' PLY/3566 Private Samuel ROBINSON H.M.S. Clear editor. And later the Germans. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Mar 08, 2023 1914-18 WW1 ARMY SWORD & SCABBARD $20. The stamping on the underside of the rim reads: G.S.W. If anyone knows something about the helmet please tell me I'm very interested to here what you guy are going to say. dailyinfo[27]=' 5778 Private William CUMMINGS 6th Bn. You can post now and register later. I guess my difficulty is that discussions about brodies are quite detailed and assume prior knowledge. Yet its use did not stop there. Heavily distressed #re, Specters in the Snow, the story of Finlands Skeleton Helmet, Sinister in Black, the Pre-War Helmet of the SS, The German helmet of the Normandy Campaign, The Tsars French Helmet, the Imperial Russian Adrian, Visiting the Baltic with Alexander & Sons, Understanding WWII German helmet insignia, Whats inside, German helmet liners 1920-1940, Geronimos helmet, a short history of the U.S. M2, A Short History of the German Steel Helmet of the Great War. I really don't think there are any other markings. "We Cannot Always Buy What We Want, But We Buy What We Can". The ring didnt stay gone long and was brought back in 1917 no doubt to the joy of the average Tommy. The British Mark I has a rubber ring sometimes called adoughnut sewn between two pieces of wool in the base of the helmet dome. var dailyinfo= new Array(31) dailyinfo[12]=' 457 Lance Corporal Arthur Price ROWE 2nd/7th Bn. The American M1917 helmet shells were pressed and stamped into bowl shapes by 7 company's they were. dailyinfo[6]=' 345190 Sapper Forrest A. KNOWLES Canadian Signal Corps who died 06/03/1921 REIDS MILLS CEMETERY Canada ' Discussion board for World War 1 reenactors. Here is an image ( sorry for bad quality) Incredibly, given that the M1 was being used by some advanced militaries as recently as the 1990s and is still employed by a few countries today, the development of it dates back to the First World War in the mid-1910s. Why I speak of our Canadian Great war forumyou know, us Canadians? 100% refund policy on all items returned within 30 days. Everything for sale on WW2Helmets.com is completely legal to own, trade, sell and transport within the United States of America. The American shell is heavier. During the State Opening of Parliament in 1942 they formed a guard of honour for the King in the Royal Gallery and in that same year were inspected by Churchill. By knowing about a few small details the buyer will never make the mistake of purchase the wrong helmet. The steel cap could not be used without the liner, but the liner could be worn on its own and indeed was regularly employed for this purpose in ceremonial settings within the army, or as protective headgear in civil society, by, for instance, policemen and fire brigades. Though, my opinion is that the helmet is an American M1917. dailyinfo[29]=' Oberleutnant zur See Axel Carl Ludwig VON SCHOENERMARCK S.M.S. FOR SALE! In early 1915, Schwerd completed a study of head wounds that were the result of trench warfare and submitted a recommendation for steel helmets. Specification. When separated from the liner, the steel cap could be used for many different things. Will be adding helmets to the page soon, alexanderandsons The threads that discuss the helmet will contain lots more information. It is unknown what is any maker marks these companies used. I helmet was made up of 12 percent manganese. Both the British and American helmets have marking stamped into the steel on the underside of the helmets skirt. dailyinfo[31]=' 420628 Sapper William Bayne YOUNG 63rd Field Coy. dailyinfo[9]=' Boy SALEH HAJI S.S. TANGISTAN (Swansea).Indian Merchant Service who died 09/03/1915 BOMBAY 1914-1918 MEMORIAL, MUMBAI India ' These have some 115716872255 The helmets from both countries are so similar that often times people believe that the Spanish helmet is a German helmet. . dailyinfo[19]=' 9228 Corporal George F. PARRY 2nd Bn. var month=mydate.getMonth()+1 One of the main purposes of it was to essentially allow the head to breathe and sweat inside the steel cap. The list is on going if you know any more please let us know. Welcome to the Treasure Bunker Forum - Please feel free to join and share your knowledge, with our growing data base of collectors and historians, both new and advanced. In all around 900,ooo of these helmets were made by McCord's. Accordingly the main actors in the war quickly began developing new headgear. Your previous content has been restored. About this item Reproduction of the World War Two British Brodie Helmet complete with a sprung webbing chin strap. The Brodie was the first modern military helmet developed by Britain. Helmets such as this did not leave the factory this way. Indeed so functional was it and easy to manufacture that the Brodie was purchased by many other countries and the design was adapted by several other European states and even by the United States. var daym=mydate.getDate() Lincolnshire Regiment who died 05/03/1916 CITE BONJEAN MILITARY CEMETERY, ARMENTIERES France ' Thanks for the video, i will show my step father and see if he can recognise his dad, I would think this is more likelyto be lettering on a Civil Defence unit helmet than Home Guard. I think it would be a perfect fit alongside the gas masks in the game, especially with the hype for Battlefield 1 and all. And this only accounts for its use by the American military. I don't think FKS has been definitively pinned down, but most sources say it represents Firth & Sons Ltd. 5th Bde. I suppose it also is one of the images of the start of WWII for the US with forces in the Pacific wearing it while under Japanese attack at Wake Island and Pearl Harbour. dailyinfo[13]=' 37643 Sapper Thomas John ECCLESTON Tunnelling Coy. See Details. Failing this, simply search on this forum under Brodie and you should find a wealth of information etc. The shape of the shell tells me its WWI manufacter. The Brodie helmet, called Helmet, steel, Mark I helmet in Britain and the M1917 Helmet in the U.S., was a steel combat helmet designed and patented in 1915 by the Briton John L. Brodie. The M1917 Brodie Helmet was manufactured by the Columbian Enameling and Stamping Company (Terre Haute, IN, USA). I have had a good look at your helmet again and managed to find another one to compare,This is an American, Here is a British made helmet from the same period, look at the rim joint how clean the joint is put together, now take a look at the rim joints. So these were our deliverers at last." British Mark I Brodie Helmet. JOHN THE BAPTIST, LAWRENCE AND ANN) CHURCHYARD United Kingdom ' Although to the untrained eye the helmets may look the same, it in the small details where the differences may be observed. What pattern of helmet is this, and given the unusual markings, is it a valuable relic, or is it some fantasy piece suitable to be stripped and restored to issue green? The British did have an upgrade that was never adopted by the Americans. Nevertheless there was some effort to produce a more advanced version of the M1917. Middlesex Regiment who died 25/02/1921 LADYWELL CEMETERY United Kingdom ' Hello Gents, it's been a long time, but I am back with an ID request. dailyinfo[15]=' SS/342 Able Seaman Henry George SMITH (RFR/CH/B/5534). Worcestershire Regiment who died 23/02/1915 LOKER CHURCHYARD Belgium ' Benjamin Electric Co - Des Plaines - Illinois. Sign up for a new account in our community. (Jeff McIntosh/The Canadian Press via AP) - 2NHRH10 from Alamy's library of millions of high resolution stock photos, illustrations and vectors. British chinstrap bail The chinstrap bails on a British Mark I and a U.S. P17 are of a completely different design. WWII US M-1 101st AIRBORNE 506st PIR HELMET ALL ORIGINAL. I'm putting in a picture. dailyinfo[3]=' 45 Gunner HAZURA SINGH 31st Mountain Battery Indian Mountain Artillery who died 03/03/1920 TEHRAN MEMORIAL Iranm ' The colour is fine looks to be the factory green finish, you can buy second hand original liners on line as long as it is for the MkII helmet. Was wondering if anyone could give some more info on it. The design was esentially the same in WW2, but there are a number of specific differences between the two and once you recognise these differences, such as the width of the brim (wider in WW1), you find you can tell one from another very easily. dailyinfo[24]=' Captain Denzil Robert THURSTON Air Force Cross Airship Training Wing (Cranwell). http://www.cefresearch.com/phpBB2/index.php, Here is a reply from Roger Lucy, who wrote the book TIN LIDS, "In his article on the Mk.I in Militaria # 6, July, 1994, the British helmet guru, Marcus Cotton, suggests that FKS probably stands for Thos. It may be tempting for some to say because the two types of helmets look so similar they are the same. The M1 offered exceptional protection. As usually occurs during such periods of protracted stability, investment in innovations in military equipment was limited and there was no real urgency to develop new weapons and protective equipment. What mythical beast could that be?? Significantly, over 400,000 Brodies were sold to the United States for use in France after they joined the war in April 1917. So a large number of Americandough boyswore British made helmets though out their service in France. With 'COMET ABL 56' printed inside. shells were re-used by the civil defence services. before , possibly made by oneof the allied countries. . leon21 If its a British helmet, could it be one provided to the Americans before American helmet production caught up? It wasundoubtedly a welcomerelief from having the helmet constantly bounce up and down on the top of the wearer skull while running across no mans land. Known M1917 Helmet Liner Manufacturers Stamp Marks. You cannot paste images directly. SHIPPED TO "MRS. C DeSIMONE" IN MARCUS HOOK PENNA" FROM HER HUSBAND "PFC JOE . A British Brodie 'Tommy' steel helmet with net and leather lining. That's how the helmet got its official name as well. Imperial Russian Adrian helmet. Accordingly many countries have used the M1 themselves until recently, while a small number of countries continue to use this Second World War helmet in their armed forces. The codeusuallystarts with a Z and is followedby a series of numbers. Click to enlarge the picture 04-08-2013, 01:49 AM#4 homerj109 Re: Help Identifying Brodie Helmet Adrian Blake takes a look at collecting such helmets and the huge range and variety that were in use. We offer a 100% return policy. Royal Marine Light Infantry who died 17/03/1918 BELLAVISTA OLD BRITISH CEMETERY Peru ' The helmet was manufactured in just one stamping procedure. crewnail 2 years ago. var fontend = '' I found my step-fathers fathers and grand-fathers britishbrodie helmets from ww1 and ww2. The helmet is indeed a M1917A1 shell made by ( the McCord Radiator Co ) the stamp mark ( 4B ) is a heat, or batch stampnumber used for quality control. 309.60 Buy It Now. Highland Light Infantry who died 19/03/1915 LE TOURET MEMORIAL France ' Identifying a Mk.1* British Civil Defence Brodie. Hi Tom, it looks to me like it might be a Home Guard helmet but I will let Colin give his opinion first. and 34th Coy. JOHN THE BAPTIST, LAWRENCE AND ANN) CHURCHYARD United Kingdom ' This is what so many collectors need to restore an original British WW2 or American WWI Dough Boy helmet to wearable or even presentable condition. The first to develop an effective helmet were the French who had developed the steel Adrian helmet by the summer of 1915. Are there any markings on the helmet shell - between a rivet and the brim usually? dailyinfo[12]=' 457 Lance Corporal Arthur Price ROWE 2nd/7th Bn. dailyinfo[24]=' Captain Denzil Robert THURSTON Air Force Cross Airship Training Wing (Cranwell). dailyinfo[1]=' Staff Nurse Edith Mary CAMMACK Associate of the Royal Red Cross, 2nd Class 4th Southern Gen. Hos. First questions and then the story. Upload or insert images from URL. Thus, in one guise or another it shaped the design of military helmets all over the world for much of the twentieth century. Do you know if he wasa civilian at this time, and could you take a photo of the inside of the helmet for me, and what. WW2 BRITISH ARMY Staff Officers Cap and Collar Tabs - 26.62.